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Sawtry Way User from RAF Wyton

26 Sep 19

I agree with the proposal. I have personally been involved in 2 near misses on the entrance to the WOTH estate. In both cases cars were slowing down to enter the estate to turn left (in the St Ives direction), and were subject to an overtaking manoeuvre from a car behind, overtaking on the cross hatching; this nearly resulted in a crash from the car exiting the WOTH estate. The general speed of vehicles is too high, and makes it dangerous to cycle in the area with my small children. In this age of ‘climate emergency’ I find it astonishing that we still prioritise the car to the exclusion of all other methods of transport
   
Residents x2 of Dorchester Way, WOTH
19 Jun 18
Agree with reducing the speed limit along the B1090 for the reasons given by CRW.
Business on Sawtry Way 60 zone
20 Jun 18
Very strongly agree. We need the whole length of Sawtry Way between A141 and at least the end of the existing 50 to be a 40 zone; in fact make the whole stretch a 40 to protect pedestrians on the very narrow footpath that needs the overgrowth removing to provide full-width especially with HGVs passing so close on what bit of the footpath is still available to adults as well as school children.
Footpath Widths Photo HERE + HERE + HERE
Personal from Individual @ Houghton Rd Industries 60 zone
20 Jun 18
Disagree with different speed limits along here. As a driver I do not like the idea of limits changing from 60 on the A141 to 50 to 40 to 50 to 40 on A1123 so would say leave it as it is or make the whole stretch a 40 limit to reduce confusion and pollution.
CRW Note: This single limit option was put to the people consulted afterwards and all agreed that a single limit would be the better, safer option. Consequently, that has now been adopted as the sole option for the application. This demonstrates the value of face-to-face consultations.
Personal Request from Business Owner @ Upland Industries 50 zone
20 Jun 18
Strongly agree. Fully support the project but Please don't forget to change to 40, the limit along Mere Way that is NSL (60) from the A1123 right up to Sawtry Way including right across a dwelling and the exit from the Uplands Industrial Site. Most speeds, including terminal speeds experienced along this very narrow, almost single-track, road, whilst probably legal, are dangerous and frightening.
Business on Sawtry Way 60 zone
20 Jun 18
Very Strongly Agree. The numerous accidents (not all reported) we have had over the last year in the vicinity of the Camp Garage and the alternative exit to RAF Wyton - that is currently in use at times (June/July 18) for an indeterminate period - prove that the speed permitted by the existing limit is far too high. Also we have a busstop at the Camp Garage that would be made much safer if the bus were being overtaken in a 40 with vehicles approaching at 40 and the passengers visiting the car show rooms were able to cross a safer road.
Business @
Houghton Hill Industries 60 Zone
20 Jun 18
Very Strongly Agree. Thanks for stopping by earlier today. As discussed I’m in complete agreement with your proposal, to the extent of actually reducing the 60 to 40. Daily I worry that people overtaking near the turning to Houghton Hill Industries is going to cause a fatal accident. At least once a week somebody is overtaking me (on the inside) as I’m about to turn right. To me it’s insane for the approach to that turning to be a 60mph limit. My company is prepared to make the road signs to Highways specifications to reduce costs.
Ex-Resident of WOTH
20 Jun 18
Strongly Agree. I fully support this project, especially to reduce the limit of the stretch adjacent to the footpath to 50 if not 40 because of the planning application for the patch adjacent to Slepe Meadow that will accommodate many children who will start their schooling at WOTH Primary and - with parents or a 'school train' - will use that currently dangerous, narrow footpath.

Resident of Sussex Rd WOTH
22 Jun 18

Strongly Agree. That path to town is very dangerous because it has been allowed to become so narrow that I can no longer walk side by side with my daughter down it most of the way and those lorries go so fast along side it, it's frightening. Also when you get people on bikes (many of them children) and mothers with pushchairs, who gives way or has to step onto this fast road?
Resident of Hampshire Rd, WOTH
22 Jun 18
Strongly Agree. As a driver I fully support making it a 40 all the way because changing speed limits in a matter of a few hundred yards is not something I warm to. Also, it needs to be 40 outside the estates because even a simple thing like crossing the road to get to the bus stop or hairdressers in Uplands means taking your life in your hands especially if you have children with you on foot or a pushchair.
Residents x2 of Pine Hill Park
22 Jun 18
VERY Strongly agree. Weekends & summer evenings it is like a race track. We have also been affected when a speeding car, not paying attention when we were waiting on Sawtry Way to turn right into Pine Hill Park with 4 cars behind us - hit this line of stationary traffic damaging all, with our car written off. A lower limit would reduce such accidents because drivers would have more time to perceive such hazards.

Resident of Pine Hill Park & ex-Chair of WOTH PC
22 Jun 18

Agree. Attempts to address the speed and speeding along Sawtry Way with applications to the County have not been successful in the past and have always only just failed, so good luck with this attempt that has my wholehearted support and, I am sure, the support of the the vast majority of the residents of this estate.
2xResidents from Pine Hill Park, 50 zone
22 Jun 18
Disagree. The speed the traffic goes especially at night is exceeding the speed limit now so reducing it to 40 will not make any difference - speed cameras is the only thing that will make any difference.
Note: the resident did not give any clue as to how his £20,000 'camera' improvements would be funded.
Resident of Pine Hill Park
22 Jun 18
Very Strongly agree. My house is located just yards from this busy road that has become busier since the A1123 speed limits were reduced from 60 to 50/40 with Mere Way left at 60 too. If this project will reduce the noise and vibration we (and others here) are exposed to all day every day then yes please make it a 40 all the way.
Resident of Sussex Rd
WOTH
23 Jun18
Strongly agree it should be 40 all the way
Residents x2of Sussex Rd, WOTH
24 Jun 18
Strongly Agree.
(1) High speeds impede access from side roads into Sawtry Way, especially from Mere Way as the view to the right is obscured.
(2) Low speeds are safer for cyclists using Sawtry Way especially as there is no proper cycle path.
(3) 40 would make it safer for pedestrians crossing the road.
Resident of Bath Crescent
WOTH
25 Jun 18
Strongly agree because there has been several accidents involving traffic, including a fatality,on the B1090 in recent years.
Residents x 3, from Bath Crescent, WOTH
27 Jun 18
DISAGREE. Leave the limits as they are. I am content with he current speed regulations.
Note: the residents did not give any justification, explanation or reason in support of these opinions.
Resident of Hampshire Rd, WOTH
29 Jun 18
Strongly Agree. This has become such a dangerous road when trying to walk into St Ives or even to the Camp along an ever narrowing footpath, even worse trying to get to the Camp Garage by crossing the road at the roundabout (a 60 zone) where camp traffic hurtles into the camp (just look at the railings on the slip road and in front of the bus shelter to imagine the sort of speeds that have done that to them and maybe one day to me), that it's about time something was done to make it all safer. Thank you for trying and I agree - make it a 40 all the way.
The Railings Photos: HERE + HERE + HERE
Residents x2 ON Sawtry Way in the 50 zone
29 Jun 18
Agree. We are sometimes overtaken on the inside when trying to turn into our driveway.
Residents x2 ON Sawtry Way in the 60 zone
29 Jun 18
Agree. Trying to turn into my driveway and having to stop to do so along this 60 stretch of road that is not wide enough for vehicles to overtake me on the correct side, is sometimes very dangerous with cars approaching from the rear at break-neck speed and drivers not expecting to encounter such an obstacle and having difficulty stopping in time with some then just overtaking on the inside to avoid rear-ending me. Good job I am aware of these and keep a look out for them but I should not have to. A 40 limit would make our turning much safer for us and the approaching drivers who would have longer to work out what's happening ahead.
Business with HGVs @ Houghton Hill Industries 60 Zone
29 Jun 18
Agree most strongly. We have had some near misses with HGVs at 50+ mph over-shooting the turning to Houghton Industries because there are no warning signs ahead of the turning and no separate Post Code for SatNavs to give a warning of 'Destination in 200m on the left'. Having overshot, and with nowhere then to turn, this has involved the HGV reversing IN THE 60 ZONE with cars hurtling towards them at 60+ mph and having to brake suddenly and sometimes frantically to avoid rear-ending the HGV. If this were a 40 limit with additional road signs for the Industrial Estates (currently not supported by the County Highways), HGV drivers, by travelling slower (most HGVs are fitted with trackers to monitor speeds for insurance purposes) will have more time to see the site entrance and, if they do overshoot, they will not travel as far past it as they do now at 50 mph, so won't have so far to reverse in a 40 and will therefore be a hazard for less time. We are willing to pay for a road sign if they are permitted in this project.
Business @ Houghton Hill Industries 60 Zone
29 Jun 18
Agree most strongly. With a lower speed limit and a Govt push to reduce the environmental impact from pollution by cars, a bus-stop adjacent to the Houghton Industries site would probably reduce the number of cars used by our workers here by at least 50%
Business on Sawtry Way
in the 60 zone
29 Jun 18
Very strongly agree. We are near/at the Camp Garage in the 60 zone where vehicles hurtle along at inappropriate speeds, be they legal speeds or not they are too high for safety as the number of serious accidents outside here have demonstrated only too clearly. I consider this an accident black spot where the speed limit is too high and 40 would be a better guide if nothing else to drivers about a safe level to travel. Here we sell cars and the nature of our business is such that many of those sales are to first time drivers whose lives are put at real risk when they attempt to exit slowly in an unfamiliar vehicle.
Business on Sawtry Way
in the 60 zone
29 Jun 18
Very strongly agree. We are adjacent to at the Camp Garage in the 60 zone and operate HGVs from our yard. These HGV's have to stop on Sawtry Way and reverse into the yard because there is no room for them to turn in the yard. That stopping and reversing completely blocks the road and would be a hazard on any road but here in a 60 zone, that some (too many) drivers see as 'unrestricted' just makes it very dangerous for all. A 40 zone would certainly make this part of the road much safer and help to moderate any consequence of any future impact by compliant vehicles.
Business on Sawtry Way
in the 60 zone
29 Jun 18
Strongly agree. We operate adjacent to the Camp Garage and have several vehicles exit onto it every day. This 60 mph road out front has seen so many accidents it's a death trap and only a matter of time before someone gets killed. Even if reducing the limit to 40 does not deter those intent on killing themselves, it is worth a try for £5k (I see it will cost) if it saves just one life.
Residents x3 from Bath Crescent , WOTH
30 Jun 18
Very strongly agree with the proposed speed reduction proposal. This reduction in the speed limit has been much needed for years, and the sooner it is done the better. We need to have some traffic calming measures as Abbots Ripton have to ensure safety otherwise it will still be unsafe with traffic still going too fast. I was driving home along Sawtry Way a couple of days ago and a car overtook me at the onset from St Ives end and sped down the road at about 80+ miles an hour straight through the Wyton on the Hill 50 speed limit, I have also seen massive articulated lorries and van drivers doing the same. It is extremely unsafe for residents and road/footpath users and the new speed reduction needs to have enforcement measures in place.
Also the footpath along Sawtry Way is too narrow and needs widening for safety reasons.
CRW Note to the Above and similar comments

1. You cannot have build outs etc in a 40 zone, only 30 and below and despite what you see in Abbots Ripton, you can't have a 30 mph limit without street lighting all the way. Next year we may be able to obtain funding for a crossing point with central refuge at the estate entrances and traffic islands with keep left signs to control the overtaking or make it illegal to cross on the wrong side of them and by then dash cam/video footage might be admissible for the Police to take action for those that do .. so one step at a time. This year, as CRW is now having to sponsor this project, we will try to put down the simple basic foundation of a 40 limit on which your councils can build to your wish list in the future.
2. As for the footpath, it is supposed to be 5ft wide and is 3ft wide along most of its length in the 60 zone and even down to 2.5ft in places because of the overgrowth and, as one mother has commented, cannot accommodate 2 people side by side safely or if passing each other without one party having to be on the actual kerb mere inches from powerful bow waves from juggernauts even at 50 mph (their legal max speed in an NSL); the maintenance of the path is an obligation on County Highways with which we will raise the state of the path as part of this process. Leave that with us.

Resident of Pine Hill Park
in the 50 zone
02 Jul 18

I agree with the project. As a disabled person the inclusion of a pedestrian crossing point would be very welcome and I am sure for mothers with young children it would be a god send. The back draft from speeding vehicles blows one off ones feet as the pavements are narrow, I wish you well with the project which I fully support.
Resident of Bath Close, WOTH
02 Jul 18
Strongly agree. Cars speed along here & I use the road most days as a pedestrian and crossing it is dangerous. A 40 limit would give me more time to cross and more time for drivers to see me.
Resident of Bath Crescent
WOTH
02 Jul 18
Agree.
Residents x2 of Bath Crescent. WOTH
03 Jul 18
Strongly agree. We don;t own a car and so we walk a lot along Sawtry Way to get to places. We also use the bus stops daily. The current speed limits along the road are wrong (too high)..
Business in Uplands Industrial Estate,
Mere Way Exit 60 limit
04 Jul 18
Very strongly agree. Mere Way, at the top here, regularly experiences HGVs during weekdays and at peak times they can't exit into Sawtry Way because of the volume and speed of traffic along the B1090. This then causes lines of stationary traffic to back up behind these HGVs thus blocking the access to Blenheim Court and Uplands Industrial Estate such that it affects our business and the other businesses in this location. Not only that the pollution from stationary traffic is significant. For starters, Mere Way should be 7.5t restricted.
Resident Mere Way
60 zone
04 Jul 18
Very strongly agree. I have lived on Mere Way for 14 years and since moving in I have noticed that the traffic volume both on Mere Way and Sawtry Way has substantially increased year on year with speeds getting higher and higher with speeding cars as the norm.

Resident Durham Way
WOTH
05 Jul 18

Very strongly agree. The footpath is too narrow for me to cycle safely with my son alongside me.
Resident Somerset Rd
WOTH
05 Jul 18
Very strongly agree. Near miss TWICE exiting into Sawtry Way. Developments should not be allowed to proceed until speed limits have been reduced to 40 to protect the children on the footpath.
Resident Norfolk Rd
WOTH
05 Jul 18
Very strongly agree. This project will make it safer for cyclists as well as people on the footpath.
Resident Norfolk Rd
WOTH
05 Jul 18
Very strongly agree. This very fast road seems to have people racing on it. Very difficult to cross on foot.
Resident of Gloucester Rd
WOTH
05 Jul 18
Very strongly agree. You just can't cross this road with children without taking you life in your hands.
Resident Gloucester Rd
WOTH
05 Jul 18
Disagree. I have no problem with the limit or the width of the path.
(CRW Note: The resident admitted that they did not use the path.)
Resident of Gloucester Rd, WOTH
05 Jul 18
Agree with the project in toto and also the point about the path being allowed to overgrow so it is now dangerous to use.
Resident of Oxford Close
WOTH
05 Jul 18
Strongly agree. It can be difficult to drive out of the estate because of the speed of approaching traffic in both directions that probably are not speeding but still going too fast for drivers and pedestrians alike to to 'take it all in' because some cars/vans are hidden behind HGVs that they then overtake to end up on the wrong side of the road despite the white lines.
Resident of Buckingham Close, WOTH
05 Jul 18
Very strongly agree. I support the project and especially the bit about the path to town being dangerous because of the overgrowth that needs cutting back to make the path wider and safer.
Resident of Buckingham Close, WOTH
05 Jul 18
Very strongly agree. My children need a safer environment on their way to St Ivo school in September when they will be using this narrow path with their bikes and I am fearful of the massive bow waves and spray from wet roads pedestrians are currently having to experience especially if, as you say, 2 young children cycling on the footpath in London Rd (40 zone) were blown off their bikes by the bow wave of a compliant bus.
Resident of Cambridge Square, WOTH
05 Jul 18
Strongly agree. The road is very difficult to cross safely because of the volume of traffic whether speeding or not. Slowing the traffic and maybe putting in a crossing place with a central refuge for pushchairs will be a great help. I slow along here because I understand the risks but unfortunately others don't because it's 50 and they travel to the limit (especially HGVs), soif 50 is tool high a limit now then a 40 limit is needed to advise them of the safe speed to travel.
Received (below) as a Batch of Responses on 09 Jul 18 Pine Hill Park Residents' responses (below). All Forms available for scrutiny.
Resident of Pine Hill Park
in the 50 Zone
23 Jun 18
Very strongly agree. I walk to RAF Wyton bus stop and back 4 days a week. It is an awful + scary experience that is worse in winter and when wet.
Resident of Pine Hill Park
in the 50 Zone
26 Jun 18
Strongly agree. It's dangerous pulling out of Mere Way into Sawtry Way because cars race down the road at at least 70 mph or even more if the see Sawtry Way is clear..
2x Residents Pine Hill Park in the 50 Zone
26 Jun 18
Agree. There have been several near misses because of the speed of the traffic along Sawtry Way that has several concealed entrances.
Resident of Pine Hill Park
in the 50 Zone
26 Jun 18

Very strongly agree. This speed limit reduction is well overdue. I have experienced cars at too high a speed, not necessarily 'speeding', as I have turned left into Sawtry Way on several occasions.

Resident of Pine Hill Park
in the 50 Zone
23 Jun 18
Strongly agree. Traffic travels, and is allowed to travel, far too fast along this road.
2x Residents of Pine Hill Park in the 50 Zone
23 Jun 18
Strongly agree. As this road has a number of houses along it and people need to cross it, it is far too dangerous. The road between Hartford and St Ives is only 50 and there are fewer properties on that road so this should therefore be a 40. Also motor cyclists travel at amazing speeds here.
2x Residents of Pine Hill Park in the 50 Zone
24 Jun 18
Very strongly agree. When walking on the path the slipstream from the speeding lorries and cars is quite frightening. Sawtry way has 15 or exits onto Sawtry Way, 3 busstops and a very acute roundabout that are not suitable for any other limit but 40 mph irrespective of what the speeds are now.
2x Residents of Pine Hill Park in the 50 Zone
23 Jun 18
Very strongly agree. The way people speed along here is unbelievable. We are all pensioners in Pine Hill Park and a lot of us have dogs. I was walking my dog the other day when an Audi passed us doing at least 80 mph. We need a camera and a safe crossing place here before one of us gets killed.
2x Residents Pine Hill Park in the 50 Zone
23 Jun 18
Strongly agree. The road is so busy these days that a pedestrian crossing is needed to get to/from the bus stops.
Resident of Pine Hill Park
in the 50 Zone
23 Jun 18
Strongly agree. I find it difficult to cross the road after 7am to walk the dog or get to the St Ives bus stop. A crossing would be nice but think we save money by not having it.
End of Batch End of batch from Pine Hill Park
Resident of Bath Cresc
WOTH
08 Jul 18
Strongly agree. This road is very dangerous for walkers. The path isn't wide enough and the 50 mph permitted by the existing limit is far too too fast for people walking or those trying to pull out safely from the estates
Resident of Blenheim Ct
exit in 60 zone
30 Jun 18
Agree because it makes practical and safe sense.
Resident of Blenheim Ct
exit 60 zone
30 Jun 18
Strongly agree. Even though not speeding, cars drive much too fast along the 60/50 mph road where there is no adequate lighting from the Camp gate to Mere Way (a 60 zone) and no lighting along Mere Way.

1 Resident of Bath Cresc
WOTH
8 Jul 18

Agree.
1 Resident Bath Cresc
WOTH
12 Jul 18
Disagree. If people wish to ignore speed limits they will. Why spend money on signs that will be ignored.
Ex-St Ives Town Cllr
30 Jul 18

Strongly Agree. I would like to propose that any modifications to speed limits on Sawtry Way should be extended to include the A141 roundabout with an adequate extension at each approach road eg 100 or150 metres at 40 mph. This would serve to reduce the excessive speed of many of the vehicles using that roundabout. At present vehicles approaching at 60+ mph that do not need to give way proceed at that speed are causing danger to those already on or attempting to join the roundabout.

CRW Comment. Idea adopted by he Board - thank you. Diagram changed. LHI submitted.

 

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